Rise, Organise and Rebuild Guyana (ROAR) leader,
Ravi Dev says that a new `Centre Force' he is promoting can act
as a countervailing force to the two main parties and he is concerned
that there is no plan for Guyana's ecological and environmental
security.
In an interview conducted with Stabroek News
before the current flooding began, Dev said the December 26 India
Ocean tsunami should be seen as a warning to Guyana, a country
with a below sea level coastland.
"The tsunami should alert us that the coastland
is not viable. In 50 years the rising seas will wipe out our coast,"
Dev said. "Forget tsunami, global warning alone...What is
the strategy? Should we do like the Brazilians? Build a city in
the interior? We feel it should be done. That is where our future
lies.
"We feel the Rupununi should be our beachhead
in looking at development geared towards Brazil, rather than being
on the coast and only trying to compete with North America."
In order to break the deadlock on governance,
ROAR will introduce the concept of a 'Centre Force' in the upcoming
general elections due next year, in the hope of forming a national
front government.
Dev said Guyana has a government with a simple
majority in parliament and an opposition that is not consulted.
The 'Centre Force'; a conglomeration of smaller political parties
working together would bring about a change in that regard, he
said.
From
its inception, he said, ROAR has always felt that there was need
for a national front government "to give all the various
interests a chance to be represented, especially ethnic interests,
which is where people vote today. With elections around the corner,
we feel that something has to be done. Our proposal is that if
the small parties ROAR, (Guyana Action Party) GAP, (Working People's
Alliance) WPA, (Justice for All) JFA any of the newer parties
that might be formed by Joey Jagan or other names you hear about,
Khemraj Ramjattan, Moses Nagamootoo, we can show the PPP/C and
the PNCR the way forward." He said while those mentioned
above may see things a little differently on particulars, in the
broader context, they all have Guyana at heart. With this in mind,
the idea of a common programme, using the National Development
Strategy (NDS) as a basis, could be taken to the electorate. The
NDS, he said was crafted by the widest section of the Guyanese
population and was not a PPP/C or PNCR or ROAR document.
However, he said one of the weaknesses of the
NDS was that it did not articulate how resources would be deployed
to achieve particular goals. Dev said the Centre Force would take
the elements of the NDS and devise strategies to achieve the Centre
objectives. For example, in making the private sector an engine
of growth the Centre Force "would have a position on how
the private sector would be the engine of growth. For example,
if Guyana has over $100 billion floating around. We could sterilise
$50 billion and mobilise the other $50 billion for development
by the private sector. This is how Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong
and other places developed."
He said there would be no pre-conditions to working
together as there was "nothing wrong in seeing some things
differently and wanting to maintain your identity. But all must
be prepared to work with a programme," he said. The main
objective of the Centre Force would be to deny both the PPP/C
and the PNCR, a majority in parliament. To govern, the government
has to pass bills and according to the new rules 50% of the vote
is needed at the minimum to pass any bill. If the bill is not
passed within three months it fails. In such a situation, Dev
said, whoever forms the government, the PPP/C or the PNCR, would
have to look at the other side to negotiate to get a majority.
"That is basically the intent of the strategy to create this
'Centre Force' - "One of the elements of the 'Centre Force'
is consultation and not just a one party position, Dev said. He
added that whatever issues were taken to parliament would have
to be voted on consistently based on a common programme. Why no
preconditions? Because in a one-party setting members would have
to leave out some important interests they wanted to represent.
No one should be forced to do that, he said stating: "We
want to show Guyana that while we may differ in perspectives or
specifics we should be able to work together. However, sometimes
there would be need to put aside personal interests for the national
good. That is the nature of the 'Centre Force.'"
The 'Centre Force' emerged from meetings with
many of the smaller parties and individuals over the past six
months and has found favour with them. It is not just ROAR's idea,
Dev said.
After first and Second
Asked for his views on the 'Third Force' articulated
by GAP's Leader Paul Hardy, Dev said he does not like the word
"third" as it comes after first and second, which "somehow
means last in the Guyana." The `Third Force' he feels would
be another duplicate of the PPP/C and the PNCR, expecting to replace
them. "The political reality of Guyana is that the 'Third
Force' is not going to replace the PPP/C or the PNCR in the short
term. The PPP/C and the PNCR are entrenched and voters are voting
for them because of their insecurities." Bringing in a representative
from another race such as the PPP/C did in bringing in Odinga
Lumumba to represent African interests when he was not their chosen
representative, he said, would make no difference to the electorate.
He said the concept of the 'Centre Force' was similar to the concept
of the Third Force in some regards but taken further. "Our
perspective on the matter, however, is that you don't have to
be in one party especially in the beginning. As separate parties
we must work on a common programme." Nagamootoo's concept
of a national agenda to get the major political parties to work
together (SN 14/01/05), he said, was like a bolt from the blue
as it related to the concept of the 'Centre Force.' "I don't
think the PNCR and the PPP/C will sit together. The smaller parties
can show it can be done." He said this common platform would
be a yardstick to measure the PPP/C and the PNCR. Working together
in parliamentary select committees has given Dev some hope that
there can be consensus in a smaller group on a matter concerning
Guyana. "It is just that when you go to Parliament, you're
forced to be the government and the opposition. I am hoping that
these discussions with the smaller group would set the ambience
of collaboration for Guyana," he said.
You don't have to be President
The Patriotic Coalition for Democracy (PCD) has
been one example of the success of the 'Centre Force' in Guyana.
Then PCD did not become one party but took up the issue of 'free
and fair elections' to which all the parties agreed. Interestingly,
he said, there is a rule that the opposition can introduce bills
in Parliament. But at present it cannot because the government
would not support them. Under this new dispensation, he said,
"If we can deny both the PPP/C and the PNCR the majority
of seats, it will not matter who introduces a bill." With
the 'Centre Force', "ROAR would be willing to go either way.
You don't have to be President of Guyana to make a difference
to the country," he said. In the 'Centre Force', the parties'
leader have accepted the idea that they are not going to be president
but they would have to be committed to remain in Parliament and
not to coalesce with the PPP/C or the PNCR to maintain the fluidity
needed in parliament, he said.
The eventual programme in the run-up to the elections
is one which all smaller parties will sign on to, sharing one
platform and talking to each other. Dev said PNCR Leader Robert
Corbin has spoken about the 'Big Tent' concept to embrace everyone
but ROAR was not in agreement. He said if there is a coalition
supporting either the PPP/C or the PNCR things would be back at
square one since a coalition with either of the big parties would
not solve Guyana's problems. "It is possible that in working
with the smaller parties if there is enough in common to become
one then coalition would be an option," he said. However,
within such a coalition, there are certain concepts that can be
used and still maintain certain interests. For example, he noted
that under the umbrella of the Democratic Party in the USA there
is a women's caucus, African-American caucus, and Hispanic caucus,
among others each with their own interest. They are permitted
to sit apart from, yet put forward their ideas and plans to the
Democratic Party.
He said there were certain things that might
make some of the smaller parties come together in a coalition
but based on the country's Constitution, a coalition was not a
precondition for success. "We are looking to be a 'Centre
Force', to go into parliament to offer this fluidity based on
a national programme. If GAP could pick up another two seats,
and ROAR, two more, it means there could be a 'centre control'
having one voice on national programmes."
He feels the 'Centre Force' has a greater chance
of giving hope to young people who want to see concrete things
and not just imitations of the PNCR and the PPP/C. He hopes the
smaller parties would target the young, clearly articulating a
programme that takes care of their future. Sixty per cent of Guyana
is below the age of 25 and this should be a big motivation for
the smaller parties. He said the PPP/C and the PNCR were still
at the "level of debating. This debate is just going to be
a cuss down, gamesmanship, one-upmanship, who bluffing who, who
ducking, who dodging, who dealing and I think young people are
going to be turned off of that."
Run up to the elections
Dev said, security, economic strategy and nation
building are national priorities in the run-up to the elections
and in discussions with other members in the 'Centre Force' ROAR
would try to make sure there are clear answers to positions by
all the political parties on the security question, he said. "If
it expects to be credible, the PNCR would have to take an unequivocal
position in denouncing violence in whatever form. To solve political
problems violence could not be an option in Guyana...so the security
question has to be addressed by every party. We are going to solve
it but we have to take a position on how to deal with it, up front
and very early."
This government, he said, has to state very clearly
where are the special weapons for the special force to be trained,
armed and equipped that the parliament voted on to deal with heavy
violence, two years after the bill was passed. "Government
has its role to play. Is it getting our forces - not death squads
- our legal forces to deal with it?"
On the economic issue, he said, there has to
be a clear strategy for Guyana's progress. Not having a strategy
to make choices to get out of the economic problems was dooming
Guyana to remain dependent on primary products, he said. He feels
the PPP/C government has "failed signally" in devising
economic strategies. On the issue of nation building, he said,
there has to be some commonality of purpose for going forward.
"People have been forcing us to be one culturally.
"That does not develop a country. You can
be committed to a vision of being a Guyanese to develop the country
for unity. I can still be an Indian. You can still be an Amerindian
proud of your heritage but you must be committed to a vision to
be treated equally as Guyanese to develop Guyana." A similar
situation, he said exists in America where Americans in general
- whether they are Irish Americans or Hispanic Americans - were
committed to developing America in terms of equity, but would
still identify with their own cultural heritage.
The Race Question
In Guyana, people are concerned about race. Dev
said, "We like to say ethnicity because it is not just race,
it is how you identify yourself within an area. Because of valid
concerns, the Amerindians are concerned about development in the
interior. It is not that they don't like coastlanders. (But) when
they see all development focused on the coast, you can't blame
a person in Aishalton for not seeing anything but the kind of
development to move the interior to a developed stage to trade
with Brazil which has put its money where its mouth is, that is
to develop Manaus by building interior roads and harnessing power
from the Guri Dam in Venezuela. So whether it is an Amerindian
or an African who says he is not getting contracts, those are
valid concerns. This is where in the 'Centre Force' people would
talk openly about their own concerns but not to the exclusion
of other concerns. (For instance) people like (Tacuma) Ogunseye
of the WPA would be with the 'Centre Force' to say what are the
concerns of the people of Buxton, Ravi Dev could talk about the
Indian concerns of the East Coast villagers surrounding Buxton,
and Paul Hardy wants to talk about the Rupununi and its underdevelopment,
all would be free to do so within the 'Centre Force.'" He
added, "The race question will not disappear. (It is) based
on real concerns and not just perceptions. Therefore, (it) must
be addressed openly. We believe that once people begin to see
that they are taken care of equitably and with justice, in a few
years the problems of race would be gone. It is just that people
perceive they are being treated unfairly because their representatives
are not there when the decisions are made."
Asked about his party being race-based, Dev said:
"We feel that all the parties are raced based and that is
why Indians have voted generally for the PPP and Africans for
the PNC. It is just that the PPP and the PNC talk a certain language
but it's a joke...The people who vote for them know that they
are race-based and they vote for them because of the racial criteria."
ROAR feels both the PPP and PNC need to accept that they cannot
govern openly at this time in the country's history because of
race-based politics and that they have to work with the others,
such as the 'Centre Force.' Most of ROAR's members are of Indian
origin with an Indian perspective, similarly the majority of GAP's
membership would have an Amerindian perspective.
"Therefore we must move away from race being
something we should hide," he said. "Amerindian, Africans
or Indians must not be embarrassed to say that they have some
interest in their own. For instance no one, not you, nor I, nor
anyone who is not an African can say what it is to be a descendant
of a slave. I am being brutally frank about it because the modern
world looks upon the Africans in a particular way based on their
history and categorises them. So for you to pronounce on a matter
that affects the African, you ought to be a little humble and
allow the man to speak for himself. It is very possible that you
might be able to represent a view but don't assume."
Similarly, no one knows how the Amerindian feels
but coastlanders are "surprised that Amerindians are educated.
But that is how coastlanders think. They actually want to not
to accept that is how they think. We got to be honest about how
we think."
The Opposition
Given the institutions, within which it could
function, the opposition was not given the space "to make
a contribution because of the way democracy works in Guyana: whoever
has the majority does what it wants. The opposition has merely
been a rubber stamp for PPP's policy, for at no time were we allowed
to have an input into the decision-making process." The latest
example, he said, was the motion by PPP General Secretary Donald
Ramotar to set up a new committee to deal with geographical representation
at elections when there was already a constitutional committee,
of which the opposition is a part, which the PPP/C chairs. "The
irony of Guyana is that if the institutions (of governance) don't
give you a voice you are forced to go outside. So ROAR's voice
has been to use other forums, including the media to show Guyanese
that we must move away from this racial politics and have inclusive
governance. Not a single statement...not a speech I made in parliament
was ever reported in the state media."
The Government
He thinks the government has been reactive during its term in
office and not proactive in devising a strategy to move Guyana
forward, in which politics should play a part whether cultural,
social, economic or political. Being reactive is the PPP/C's major
failure, he said, noting that the Stabroek News had recently reported
that a road in Leonora was broken up two weeks after it was built,
"So when the government talks about the infrastructural works
it has done, it has to balance that against the cost, the money
which was borrowed - which taxpayers would have to pay back, and
whether there was value for the money," he said. "I
think the PPP has failed both in terms of lacking a vision for
Guyana and in terms of utilising the resources that have come
our way in terms of getting us back on our feet."
[Editor's Note: Originally publsihed by Stabroek News, February
24, 2005.]